Nikon E-series memory cards - please report your findings

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Re: Nikon E-series memory cards - please report your findings

Postby sfpeter » Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:39 am

I regret to report an IBM 80MB "Solid State File," part number 36H1757 from 1996, will not work in a DS-505.

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Re: Nikon E-series memory cards - please report your findings

Postby Webmaster » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:06 am

sfpeter wrote:I regret to report an IBM 80MB "Solid State File," part number 36H1757 from 1996, will not work in a DS-505.

Did you try the card in another camera/device? There's always a risk that it's physically damaged.

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Re: Nikon E-series memory cards - please report your findings

Postby sfpeter » Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:20 am

I tried it in my laptop, detected and recognized as a "Solid State File" with a FAT file system. I tried deleting the partition in case the camera for whatever reason needed to write it's own; in all cases I get the same results; the flashing "Change" icon. If anyone out there has on that works, drop me a line.

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Re: Nikon E-series memory cards - please report your findings

Postby Stan Disbrow » Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:01 pm

Hi,

Since I passed on my E-series DSLRs a few years ago, I can no longer check on what they need, or do.

I think the E-series needs their cards formatted FAT-12, and they can't do that themselves.

I'm referring to a low-level format where the number of bits per entry in the file allocation table, and the sector size (which in the case of a solid-state card would be the basic storage block size, corresponding to the magnetic sectors on a disk) are set-up.

I recall that the E-series can only perform a high-level format, where the data is wiped in each existing sector and also all the entries in the existing FAT.

In the case of putting the card into a computer, they all default to 16-bits per entry in the FAT. You have to specifically change that in the formatting program if you want FAT-12.

I think you need to give that a try.

Oh, one other thing. At the time these things were designed, FAT-12 was the standard, so this issue would never have come up at the time. Right after these things hit the market, there was a shift in the standard from 12 to 16 bits in the FAT. This was to support hard drives that were becoming so large that the sector size was also growing to be too large.

This FAT-12 vs. 16 subject was something that users of older FAT-12 things needed to handle once FAT-16 became the norm. These days, this sort of knowledge is becoming rather arcane. It's only when we try to use something ancient with something modern that we need to recall any of this....

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Re: Nikon E-series memory cards - please report your findings

Postby sfpeter » Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:27 am

If it's FAT-12 with a 32MB limit, how are some of the larger cards like a Microtech able to work? Regardless, I did use mkdosfs to format the card with a 28MB primary partition, no luck. I think this card has the "high speed" pin not being asserted problem as the camera has rejected it in every circumstance; no partition, FAT 16, and FAT 12.

My last test was to put it with a FAT 16 partition in a Fuji DS-300, which has the same sensor and a lot of chassis similarities to a later "E" series, and it worked fine, so back to square on.

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Re: Nikon E-series memory cards - please report your findings

Postby Webmaster » Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:59 am

sfpeter wrote:My last test was to put it with a FAT 16 partition in a Fuji DS-300, which has the same sensor and a lot of chassis similarities to a later "E" series, and it worked fine, so back to square on.

I've added your 80 MB IBM card to the first generation list (not working). Not sure who reported this, but the exact same card should work with a second generation body (E2N, etc).

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Re: Nikon E-series memory cards - please report your findings

Postby Stan Disbrow » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:08 pm

Hi,

Right. I mis-spoke there. FAT-16 it ought to be. Perhaps it needs a low-level format, which the camera cannot do (that part I said correctly).

Use a PC and low-level format it FAT-16 and not NTFS (which is what I should have said originally instead of FAT-12 vs FAT-16). Windows refers to the High Performance File System as their NTFS, which is actually the same thing. NTFS is the default low-level format for Windows.

If I remember this correctly, that IBM card does have the hi-speed pin asserted. Of course, it could just be that that card is toast, too.

It's too bad that there aren't any PCMCIA memory card analysis programs out there any longer. This would be a perfect time to use one. It would show if that pin was asserted or not as well as tell us what the memory was configured as (ATA vs. Flash, etc).

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Re: Nikon E-series memory cards - please report your findings

Postby nausee » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:53 am

Webmaster wrote:I've added your 80 MB IBM card to the first generation list (not working). Not sure who reported this, but the exact same card should work with a second generation body (E2N, etc).

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It is me who reported the IBM card (36H1757, 1996) working on E2N. In fact I bought an extra one and both works on my E2N.

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Re: Nikon E-series memory cards - please report your finding

Postby joachim » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:39 pm

Mostly Working:
HAMA CF-Card 64MB,96MB - the red and blue ones - withmthe fitting Nikon CF-Card Adapter


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